Fighting was always full contact, we all wore Bogosuki (body armor) every class.  The class was exercises, kata, fighting techniques, korte training and fighting every class.  The Schilling center classes were taught outside on the concrete patio most of the time.  You would develop blisters on your feet until you became conditioned.  Classes would be indoors on rainy days.  Kise was right there doing each and every thing the students did.  Kise became my idol.  I was to copy his every mannerism and every way.  People started calling me "Little Kise", for when you saw him, you saw me.

        Kise and I would go to each of the different Karate Dojo's throughout the Island.   He would tell me to watch the instructors and their system, looking for weak spots.  Any of the senior ranking teachers, Hachi-Dan and above, Kise would know on a personal basis, for they all knew of him and of his ability in Karate.  This type of thing went on the whole time I was on Okinawa.

        My reputation became stronger and stronger.  I became a constant winner for Sensei Kise; a show piece, if you will.  I was, and still am today, well remembered and known in Okinawa.

        In 1972 Kise and I once again united.  I found that Kise had indeed changed, from being the hot head I knew while on Okinawa, to that of a businessman.  Kise's main line of thought was now the building of a large Association, not that of building a reputation as a bad ass in Karate.  He had also put on weight.  He would tell me that I was teaching too hard and that it would lead to the loss of students.  At this time I was making my living off of Karate.  I had a Dojo that was over 5,000 sq. foot (75' X 75').  I had over 300 students in the main dojo that was located in Silver Spring, Maryland, and another 200-300 students at the other locations that I was teaching.  Kise once again impressed me with his great ability with the weapons.  His skill level is very high; he truly is a master.  His thirst for knowledge is relentless.  I found that he was very selective as to the information he would now give out to the students.  I got the feeling that he did not trust the Americans anymore, the way he used to.  I think he feels betrayed by us in that we all take the knowledge from him and promise to bring him to the States, etc. but never truly do so.  The old "once burned, twice shy".


        Once Kise and I broke apart as teacher/student, I felt his Karate changed from being based on real, to that of just money making.  He also had two children going to college, which he had to pay for.  The only income was through his Karate, so I think this was another reason for the change.  Kise and I parted because he wanted me to give out high ranks (3rd Dan and up) without ever seeing what true level the person was and I had to sign the certificate authorizing each rank, in his name.  He would say, what difference is it to you, they cannot beat you, or me, just take their money, it is good for the Association.  He also wanted me to send all of the money to Okinawa, not hold operation expenses or ticket money for his next trip to the States.

        No matter what Master Kise thinks about me, he will forever remain my teacher and continue to have my utmost respect.  I may not agree with how or what he teaches, but one does not forget real training.  Kise holds a wealth  of knowledge, one only needs to tap into that wealth of knowledge.  I was told by Kise, back in 1961, that I would never be able to learn 100% of the system, for I was not Okinawan, however I could learn up to 75% if I worked hard enough. I truly believe that Kise will never again teach a non-Okinawan his vast amount of knowledge and skills that he possesses.


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